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Re: Dumbarton foreshore 24/07/2015
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2015, 09:20:18 PM »
can anybody help with that button? Derek any ideas?

...had a good go at this and struck out. It would help if the legend could be read? It does look like a coin that may have been made into a button or at least a button which has borrowed the design of a coin?
Also, is the image back-to-front?

...I know what you are thinking (i.e. seal) and I did look at the Lithuanian coat of arms, but when I reversed the image I couldn't read the legend either and I think there is an "S" reversed? There are Dutch and French coins similar, but no exact match. It is old though as the depiction of the horse is in the old style with both front and back legs extended, well worth a picture to TT!!
I ended up with a very similar image and sore eyes... I thought I saw a reversed E but it isn't an E. TT all day long!

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Re: Dumbarton foreshore 24/07/2015
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2015, 11:30:03 PM »
Could it be Norman, it does kind of look like a Norman knight like this one, if it was....Wow it's survived well!

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Re: Dumbarton foreshore 24/07/2015
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2015, 02:58:56 PM »
My finds from yesterday with Kaspars  ;D
« Last Edit: July 26, 2015, 03:01:15 PM by Sinky »
2017 :-  Hammered x 10, Milled silver x 18, Roman Brooch x 1, Saxon stirrup mount x 1, silver thimble x 1

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Re: Dumbarton foreshore 24/07/2015
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2015, 04:53:19 PM »
Could it be Norman, it does kind of look like a Norman knight like this one, if it was....Wow it's survived well!
let's see what TT will say....

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Re: Dumbarton foreshore 24/07/2015
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2015, 04:54:31 PM »
My finds from yesterday with Kaspars  ;D
well dug... and let's meet us there after some storm...

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Re: Dumbarton foreshore 24/07/2015
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2015, 05:58:53 PM »
My finds from yesterday with Kaspars  ;D
well dug... and let's meet us there after some storm...

Sounds like a plan mate  ;D
pm me anytime and I will come through if I'm not away working
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Re: Dumbarton foreshore 24/07/2015
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2015, 02:56:22 PM »
 Hi folks just got an email from Natasha Ferguson (TT)  ;D

Dear Kaspars,
 
Thank you for getting back to me. This is quite an unusual object as you are correct in that it does look like a coin. There are close parallels with late 17th century Dutch coins called ‘Rijderschelling’. It looks as if the coin, or at least a cast of it may have been made into a button. This is certainly something I would wish to take a closer look at for recording and to assess as Treasure Trove.

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Re: Dumbarton foreshore 24/07/2015
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2015, 03:48:37 PM »
...nice one mate, at least my copy of a Dutch coin theory might hold water?

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Re: Dumbarton foreshore 24/07/2015
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2015, 06:49:32 PM »
So far so good chaps!   :)   Rijderschelling is quite an interesting Google...


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Re: Dumbarton foreshore 24/07/2015
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2015, 08:41:40 PM »
Thanks Derek.   All so near... and yet not quite...

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Re: Dumbarton foreshore 24/07/2015
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2015, 08:45:41 PM »
...yup, that's why I thought it may have "borrowed" the design of a coin?

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Re: Dumbarton foreshore 24/07/2015
« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2015, 09:10:40 PM »
Aye. Does the knight look a bit 'neo-' and could the legs be post-Muybridge in the pre-Muybridge style? ie Victorian?? Or is it a more naïve earlier object?

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Re: Dumbarton foreshore 24/07/2015
« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2015, 09:39:30 PM »
...yup, agree with your comments on the horse, and the key could be the legend on the artefact, as it would be more likely to give away the time period? It could date post medieval all the way through to Victorian?

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Re: Dumbarton foreshore 24/07/2015
« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2015, 06:41:52 PM »
another update.....
Hello,
I am replying in my colleague Natasha’s absence to let you know that your find arrived safely. The front of your button shows what is a copy of a medieval seal matrix, with a knight on horseback. However the style of the object would suggest a somewhat later date.

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