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Title: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Grant on November 26, 2015, 07:05:42 PM
Hey all

I've had a few messages from well intentioned individuals directing me towards remarks directed at the land we search over the last 48 hours .

I see the author of these remarks as yesterday's news and a self serving non entity, however I suppose its a disservice to just ignore the feelings of those who feel compelled to bring these things to my attention.
so:
I won't allow myself to drawn into a slagging match about it but in Detectingscotlands defence, I think our success over the last few years speaks for itself.

The aforementioned individual has stated that field at "Renfrew, Paisley, Glasgow & Ratho" are just dump fields and only result in night soil, alien finds and such sits are beneath them....That our fields are ok for beginners but not for good detectorists etc etc

This is a clear dig at DS with yesterdays midweek dig being in Ratho (fields beside where the aforementioned author has held a dig....the irony) and this Sunday's being in Renfrew.

Well my instant reaction is to ask you the members, do you think the finds that came up yesterday justified the choice of 'Ratho' several hammered, a gold half sovvy, lots of milled silver etc between only 28 detectorists? Dumpsite?

the best single coin finds this year you could argue were Dereks Hammered Gold Half rider and Tommy's unique hammered early William I penny, BOTH were found in??? Ratho

As for Renfrew, in the last 12 months we have had several hammered William the lions from Renfrew as well as Stephens gold hammered, Gregor's bronze age socketed axe, Bartosz Quarter dollar, Stans first hammy lol sorry GORDON RUSSELL and multiple other great finds, sorry if I didn't mention your particular claim to fame in these areas.

I take the excellent attendance rates at our digs and rallies as confirmation that we are doing things in the way that you detectorists want us to do, am I wrong?

You'll never be threatened with rising prices by DS to short term bully you into attending digs, in fact I'm saying now despite feedback saying 'a small rise would be ok' that prices for ALL of 2016 sunday digs will remain at only £7 and when overnight (non rally) camping will remain free even though we at DS pay the landowner extra for this. (this would be in the end of year newsletter anyway) but you have it early as DS pledge to you.

The £7 you pay allows us the pay the landowner, and also organisers fees, travel expenses for staff etc etc so any rise on those prices would be simple greed, which is something you won't see while I run YOUR DS.
 I believe DS will be there long after I've gone so I see myself as 'looking after it' for now and my long term goal is to hand it over some day to someone who will continue with it in the spirit it has been looked after.

Its fairly well known that it's myself who choses the fields in the Glasgow/Renfrew/Edinburgh areas so I take responsibility if there is any unhappiness in respect of that, and my little recce 10 hole visits I mention from time to time are to guard against us visiting a green waste or extremely trashy site.

So if anyone wants to make any points about the sites we choose, then we are all ears.

On another note, Alastair Hacket and Myself represented all you guys today at the reference group meeting in Edinburgh this morning and are both very positive about the outcome of that meting and the conduct of the study as it commences.
As we suspected there's no real cause for concern at the study and like the ones before it will help us to educate the new detectorist and foster good links between ourselves and the heritage sector.

I mention this now while the meeting is fresh in my mind because All of you will be invited to give your opinions on all of the aspects covered by the study in the near future through Guard archaeology who have been contracted to conduct the study so please keep your powder dry for now rather than comment on this matter here. (Guard archaeology are the company we already enjoy a good relationship with as we provide the detectorists who assist them in their planning application surveys)

Anyway that's quite enough from me, I'll look forward to seeing you at our latest 'dump site' on sunday lol  ;D

Over to you

Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: budge1 on November 26, 2015, 07:27:51 PM
I will do a dump site long before I ever go back to turnip's dig. 
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Bruno on November 26, 2015, 07:30:43 PM
Love a good dump             Site.
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Grant on November 26, 2015, 07:32:02 PM
I will do a dump site long before I ever go back to turnips dig.

LOL I think I must be a beginner as I prefer dumped on with a chance of ancient rather than QUIET QUIET fields with a chance of ancient.

Maybe I just love using my spade lol
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: chris3030 on November 26, 2015, 07:34:55 PM
Long post man hang on I'll put the kettle on  :) iv never been to a dig but from what iv seen on here in a few days its crystal clear ye are certainly not diging trash and the members are extremely nolagable about what's what.
Unless the reason ye get such a big trun out each week is the urn and the free refills  :)
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: fraxis1985 on November 26, 2015, 07:37:10 PM
To be honest i dont think you need to keep explaining yourself mate as we all know what this guy is like, and if you dont you wont have to wait long to find out. Let the children argue whilst the adults go to work and bring home the goodies. This is by far the best site in scotland, doing a great job for us detectorists, which should be at the top of all clubs lists but clearly isnt. Well done guys keep up the good work  ;)
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: budge1 on November 26, 2015, 07:39:54 PM
I think Lee has it, well said Lee.
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Grant on November 26, 2015, 07:44:59 PM
Maybe I took the mention of only the dig sites I've picked too personal lol
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: rsi on November 26, 2015, 07:46:19 PM
^ stig o the dump
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Shug100 on November 26, 2015, 07:47:48 PM
Take no notice grant I enjoy the sites we go to and as you said the results speak for them selfs gold seals gold hammered Roman hoards countless hammys even though I've only had 1 lol gold rings sovereigns  and on and on so f#ck the haters
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: TheJim on November 26, 2015, 07:48:47 PM
Love a good dump             Site.
That's another story Brian  ::) ::) :o
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Grant on November 26, 2015, 07:58:32 PM
Love a good dump             Site.
That's another story Brian  ::) ::) :o

One best not disgust(ing)  ;D
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: FergalThang on November 26, 2015, 07:59:19 PM
Arf!! Thanks GRANT MAXWELL.  ;D
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Stan67 on November 26, 2015, 08:01:43 PM
My farms must be medieval dump sites then. Imagine dumping all those hammys in Fife  :o
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Shug100 on November 26, 2015, 08:04:01 PM
My farms must be medieval dump sites then. Imagine dumping all those hammys in Fife  :o
. Away u go u lucky git u and your hammy streak lol
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Grant on November 26, 2015, 08:06:03 PM
My farms must be medieval dump sites then. Imagine dumping all those hammys in Fife  :o

Fife wasn't slagged mate just the areas I sort out  :P

Probably why I took it a wee bit personal  :-[
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Indiana on November 26, 2015, 08:07:18 PM
Some of my most enjoyable day's have been on digs around the Glasgow area. Busy fields and plenty of finds. Can't wait till DS133. The DS Team are doing a great job, keep it up.

Indiana ;).
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: David on November 26, 2015, 08:24:21 PM
all fits together now... ::) ::) some people just talk rubbish. bit of a biased point of view  ;D ;D but DS is the top detecting club in Scotland, despite what  other people ??? say!!!!!
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: beepbeep on November 26, 2015, 08:27:24 PM
even the trooth teller coudnt have put it better!!
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Daz1210 on November 26, 2015, 08:27:55 PM
My very first hammered coin came from a dig in Glasgow... And I have encountered many a great find coming from ds digs so to say they are dump fields is a joke (sounds like a bit of jealousy to me) for those of us who love detecting but find it hard to find the time to go out searching for permissions etc this is perfect. And the mods in here do a great job of finding land and organising digs every week which takes up a lot of time and effort. And I can honestly say I have never met a more welcoming bunch of people than those I have met through going on these digs and everyone is always willing to help out with any questions you have. So I wouldn't bother what some jealous people have to say about ds as the numbers at digs every week speak for themselves. Keep up the good work guys.
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Grant on November 26, 2015, 08:42:09 PM
The warm fuzzy feeling is coming back lol.

Feel a little silly for even mentioning it now buy hey ho!
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Uncle Bob on November 26, 2015, 08:44:39 PM
Much as I'd like to sit this one out - I can't!  It's not my nature to let others fight the fight and for me just to watch on, so here's my happeny worth  :-

I like both Digs.  I attend both Digs, and have found good stuff (and lots of rubbish!) at each. I like the people I meet at both Digs, and have found them all to be generally helpful, friendly, and good humoured.

Both Forums (Owners, Staff, and attendees) have been personally very good to me, and I have no 'personal' axe to grind or reason to dislike either.

BUT .....  I acknowledge the strength of feeling based on the past experiences of many individuals, which I have no reason to doubt or dispute, and I well recognise the justification for the obvious bad feeling which exists and manifests itself on each Forum.

I acknowledge the sheer number and the authenticity of the many 'stories' and experiences of other people and it would be wrong of me to pretend that I don't know about them, am happy about them, or condone them.

Have you noticed how successfully I have stayed on the fence so far?  

As a Digs attendee I genuinely value the opportunity to attend, get my head down, and detect.  I don't overly care whether a field is categorised as a Viccy Dump or not as long as I can get to it, enjoy the company, and attempt to find something of interest.

I also genuinely appreciate the time, expense, and effort that the organisers put in to making it all happen, and for their support via the forum and elsewhere.  It makes me feel valued and part of the team, and THAT is something much more valuable than you might realise.

I do not enjoy the aggro but neither could I expect the 'outrageous arrows' to go undeflected and my sympathy goes out to those involved.

I'm still on the fence do you see?  What will the outcome be??

It's this.

Tempted as I am to take sides, I won't - until and unless I am personally affected. 

I'm not afraid to take sides...  I just prefer to leave things to settle down and wait for the normal good humour and general bonhomie to resume so we can all - attendees, staff, and organisers - enjoy the detecting for it's own sake... whenever, wherever, and with whomever.

I absolutely do not blame anyone for defending their corner, and if it was me I would do EXACTLY the same ... but it ISN'T me, so I'll keep out of it meantime.

I just wanna DIG!

I make these remarks because I suspect some others might agree with me and it might give a voice to folk other than those who DO have reason to feel aggrieved and get involved.

Having said all that ! --  I know fine well that any organisation is only as good as the support it enjoys and gets from it's members, and I would not want anything in this post to be construed as a criticism, or as a rejection of the very much appreciated welcome I have received from DS staff and members.

If you will excuse the naval terms  - I have nailed my colours to the mast.  Don't make me walk the plank!

Final word....  I may be perched on the fence, but I appreciate honesty, professionalism and integrity, and those are the things which would make me jump one way or the other.

Bob.








Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Doodles the Flatback on November 26, 2015, 08:49:35 PM
Look all I can say is I don't dig any dump site I dig a DS dump site
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Grant on November 26, 2015, 08:51:18 PM
Haha great post Bob and your right of course!

Maybe I'm hormonal today and just took the commens about the sites I've chosen to heart when I should ignore it like I generally do. It's not here say they are still there for all to see.

Anyway onwards and upwards lol

And thanks doodles I'll pick a special kind of dump site and call it doodles dig ;-)
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Davie Deus on November 26, 2015, 09:00:39 PM
Not been here for long but thoroughly enjoyed all the digs I have attended met loads of interesting people and found some stuff :) Please keep up the good work I appreciate all the effort the staff put in prior to these digs. Now if you could just do something with the weather this would be a world beater of a club  :P
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Marcos1 on November 26, 2015, 09:13:07 PM
My farms must be medieval dump sites then. Imagine dumping all those hammys in Fife  :o


Liked that one mate  ;D ;D
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: TheJim on November 26, 2015, 09:13:28 PM
Well said Bob  :) I feel the same way you do  :) all I want to do is dig and have a wee blether wotever dig I choose to attend I just wish all the negative stuff would stop as its not nice to keep hearing it all the time
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: P0k3Rman on November 26, 2015, 09:32:47 PM
...well said Bob, it is all about the digging, finding some history and camaraderie - a detectorist, man or woman, is nothing without their word, which is all about honesty, integrity, support and friendship especially at the toughest of times when greed or jealousy come calling - extremely few succumb to these bed fellows and for this I am thankful, and as such happy to be digging with like minded people regardless which dig it is on or not!

...onward and upwards, don't look back only forward!!
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: EleanorF on November 26, 2015, 09:38:50 PM
You must be raging at all the silver, gold , hammys , brooches etc that have been dumped all over your chosen fields Grant  ;D ;D  ;D  Its as well you have great members to dig it all out. Bloody nuisance....  ;D ;D ;D  hold your head up guys, 99 problems, but your club aint one.....  Elly x




Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: John on November 26, 2015, 09:41:09 PM
I'd always look favourably on publishing an article about your digs if anyone would like to supply one for my perusal ...
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Molly1 on November 26, 2015, 09:45:40 PM
There's another club ???  ;)
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Grant on November 26, 2015, 09:45:49 PM
I'd always look favourably on publishing an article about your digs if anyone would like to supply one for my perusal ...

Anytime :-)
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Seagoon on November 26, 2015, 09:56:37 PM
I dig your Digs Grant!  O0
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: stevie67 on November 26, 2015, 10:09:08 PM
Just tried to log on to the other place to see what he was on about but I appear to be no longer welcome.... ??? ffs.
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: s60tty on November 26, 2015, 10:16:32 PM
Ah ,looks like the Ego train has arrived again ,just when you thought the big penis competition had been finally put to rest , would it not be better that the heads of the forums sort it out among themselves & keep all the decent detectorists who don`t give a rats fart who said what to who noo out of the competition ? Just a thought  :-[
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Uncle Bob on November 26, 2015, 10:18:32 PM
Been tried -  didn't work!

It takes two to Tango ....

Bob.
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Grant on November 26, 2015, 10:21:05 PM
Ah ,looks like the Ego train has arrived again ,just when you thought the big penis competition had been finally put to rest , would it not be better that the heads of the forums sort it out among themselves & keep all the decent detectorists who don`t give a rats fart who said what to who noo out of the competition ? Just a thought  :-[

Out of order mate

Tried to engage with him many times and ignored.

The sly wee remarks are constant and the latest are still there for all to see on his dig sign up list of all places.

When did you ever see DS do that?

Think you need to read everything properly before you chip in
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: TheJim on November 26, 2015, 10:25:21 PM
Just tried to log on to the other place to see what he was on about but I appear to be no longer welcome.... ??? ffs.
Sorry to hear that Stevie wit have you done to deserve that !!
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Grant on November 26, 2015, 10:27:08 PM
Just tried to log on to the other place to see what he was on about but I appear to be no longer welcome.... ??? ffs.
Sorry to hear that Stevie wit have you done to deserve that !!

Must've told the truth somewhere lol sorry couldn't resist
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: s60tty on November 26, 2015, 10:45:42 PM
Ah ,looks like the Ego train has arrived again ,just when you thought the big penis competition had been finally put to rest , would it not be better that the heads of the forums sort it out among themselves & keep all the decent detectorists who don`t give a rats fart who said what to who noo out of the competition ? Just a thought  :-[

Out of order mate

Tried to engage with him many times and ignored.

The sly wee remarks are constant and the latest are still there for all to see on his dig sign up list of all places.

When did you ever see DS do that?

Think you need to read everything properly before you chip in
I have read everything available to me on DS as i have done for the last 5 years , i don`t know whats been said to you personally by any other media that is a fact, but i also remember the last full engagement by DS against another forum & the losers were the folk that just want to metal detect .Thats me chipped in again  ;)
It`s not dump sites ,they were previously multi use sites  :blank:
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Grant on November 26, 2015, 11:00:06 PM
Ah ,looks like the Ego train has arrived again ,just when you thought the big penis competition had been finally put to rest , would it not be better that the heads of the forums sort it out among themselves & keep all the decent detectorists who don`t give a rats fart who said what to who noo out of the competition ? Just a thought  :-[

Out of order mate

Tried to engage with him many times and ignored.

The sly wee remarks are constant and the latest are still there for all to see on his dig sign up list of all places.

When did you ever see DS do that?

Think you need to read everything properly before you chip in
I have read everything available to me on DS as i have done for the last 5 years , i don`t know whats been said to you personally by any other media that is a fact, but i also remember the last full engagement by DS against another forum & the losers were the folk that just want to metal detect .Thats me chipped in again  ;)
It`s not dump sites ,they were previously multi use sites  :blank:

Agree about previous rows but this thread is simple in that an aspect of our organisation has been directly criticised OPENLY, so I have a right to gauge from the membership of these comments have any true weight or if they are merely the ramblings of a desperate poor soul.

From most feedback I'd say the latter.

See you Sunday it's a great dump site ;-)
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Halfloaf on November 26, 2015, 11:01:01 PM
All I will say as a newcomer to the hobby and DS , i have enjoyed the digs  .
Grant , If thats dumps then i want to see more of them ,having seen the quality of the finds people have dug  first hand.

keep up the great work Grant

thanks
Mike
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Filternozzle on November 26, 2015, 11:40:41 PM
I'm a detectorist.   I go out detecting in the hope of finding something interesting.   
I have my own sites and often visit friends who have permissions; I go to organised digs when it suits;  to me it doesn't matter who organises them, in my book they all do a fine job and help keep the hobby alive.   
I personally do not like to see or hear fighting between dig organizers; there is already enough trouble in the world.   Lets just get on and make the effort to enjoy life, we are only here for a short time and I'm not convinced there's detecting on the other side, so whilst I'm here I want to make the most of it, don't you?
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: stevie67 on November 26, 2015, 11:59:22 PM
Just tried to log on to the other place to see what he was on about but I appear to be no longer welcome.... ??? ffs.
Sorry to hear that Stevie wit have you done to deserve that !!
Not a Scoob Jim. Hadna posted for a couple of years but was good to log on and see what the people were finding.
You're spot on S6otty. Grant - it's clear as day this forum has gone from strength to strength over the past  couple of yearsand Stan and Mark had an awful lot to do wi that because they didn't take the bait.  Keep doing what you do best and let him crack on and do what he does.
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: budge1 on November 27, 2015, 12:04:47 AM
Turnip has destroyed his own site lets not let him do it to DS.
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: garethj on November 27, 2015, 01:03:43 AM
I have a axe to grind but I will just wait my time grasshopper :)

The attendance at each dig week in and week out including the fledgling midweek digs just show what support fellow detectorist have for DS.

I am sure if another dig site was setup in scotland then some of those numbers would reduce but lets just take a minute to think this through.........

If you know the quality of organised digs by one group then you are more inclined to attend the digs organised by that group.
But if you just hear negative output from a group then as mature adults the human nature is to avoid the group because at the end of the day getting out and hopefully finding something interesting and also have a blether with others then it all leads to a good organised dig.

Competition is healthy in all walks of life ,you just as an individual decide where you want to invest your time and money.

Grant I suggest you lock this thread and accept that DS is in a strong position and will get better and better than any shoddy outfit :)

Gareth
Title: Re: We only dig dump sites? apparently....
Post by: Grant on November 27, 2015, 01:32:58 AM
Done  :)