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Title: quern stone ?
Post by: foundit on February 29, 2016, 05:30:53 PM
Out today in a biting wind, found two cartwheel pennys thats four in just over a week and some odds and sods.
This stone was sticking out of the side of a drainage ditch, im no expert but it looks like a quern stone, but is it ??? :) :)

Alan
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Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: chris3030 on February 29, 2016, 05:33:21 PM
Mill stone??

Or maybe Barney rubbles spare  8)

I can't find one with the drive noch like yours but  a mill stone in my book. Definitely a good find 8)
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: TheJim on February 29, 2016, 05:42:16 PM
Great find mate  :) Think you should send a wee pic to TT
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: Sam on February 29, 2016, 05:45:18 PM
Yup, I'd say it was a quern stone for use by hand as it's quite small for a mill stone isn't it? ???. It seems to be made from soft sandstone, not ideal... Maybe a cheap one. Cheers for posting :)
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: chris3030 on February 29, 2016, 05:49:12 PM
You probably already found this but  8)
quern (upper stone) with slot for handle
artefact

MANU unknown Amdernach Germany



Materials: lava, Andernach,
Dimensions: 0.35m (diameter)
Locality: Bar Hill fort, Twechar, Strathkelvin, Strathclyde, Scotland
Context: Bar Hill fort, AD 142-180 Roman, Antonine
References: PUBL MACDONALD,G. and PARK, A. 1906 p.89, fig.32, PUBL ROBERTSON, A., SCOTT, M. & KEPPIE, L. 1975 p.45, no.39
Keywords: ROMAN : ANTONINE : FOOD : AWIC_CASE4 : ROMANS IN SCOTLAND DISPLAY :
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: P0k3Rman on February 29, 2016, 05:52:12 PM
...that is a superb spot and find. It is indeed a quern stone and a very early one (Iron Age), which would indicate a settlement nearby, perhaps a round house?

...if this was found in Scotland it needs reported and would be worth a few quid, as I'm sure it would be claimed. Also, the fields round the area should be searched carefully and any finds instantly reported. If the archaeologists do an excavation, then anything they find would be classed as part of your find, due to it being part of the original assemblage - so worth reporting. I don't think they will do a dig on the strength of this alone, and you need to find more things and accurately plot them.

...it is like this type from the Hunterian museum: http://www.huntsearch.gla.ac.uk/cgi-bin/foxweb/huntsearch/DetailedResults.fwx?collection=all&SearchTerm=F.1936.63&mdaCode=GLAHM (http://www.huntsearch.gla.ac.uk/cgi-bin/foxweb/huntsearch/DetailedResults.fwx?collection=all&SearchTerm=F.1936.63&mdaCode=GLAHM)

...and below are some sketches of some very early British varieties, which are described as such:

Early British querns. A, pre-Roman Wessex type ; note method of mounting upper stone by means of a peg. B, pre-Roman ,from the Trundle ,. Sussex , from before 50 B.C. C, probably from Iver, first century A. D, D from Hassocks,Sussex ( second century A.D) ; note separate hopper . E,from Thundersbilrrow Hill, Sussex (fourth century A.D.); note device for tentering the upper stone.
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: Sam on February 29, 2016, 05:59:06 PM
Looks like you've got a great find on your hands there Alan. Well found indeed. 8)
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: Indiana on February 29, 2016, 05:59:47 PM
Well done on a unusual but fantastic find. Let us know what TT say.

Indiana.
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: foundit on February 29, 2016, 06:01:35 PM
...that is a superb spot and find. It is indeed a quern stone and a very early one (Iron Age), which would indicate a settlement nearby, perhaps a round house?

...if this was found in Scotland it needs reported and would be worth a few quid, as I'm sure it would be claimed. Also, the fields round the area should be searched carefully and any finds instantly reported. If the archaeologists do an excavation, then anything they find would be classed as part of your find, due to it being part of the original assemblage - so worth reporting. I don't think they will do a dig on the strength of this alone, and you need to find more things and accurately plot them.

...it is like this type from the Hunterian museum: http://www.huntsearch.gla.ac.uk/cgi-bin/foxweb/huntsearch/DetailedResults.fwx?collection=all&SearchTerm=F.1936.63&mdaCode=GLAHM (http://www.huntsearch.gla.ac.uk/cgi-bin/foxweb/huntsearch/DetailedResults.fwx?collection=all&SearchTerm=F.1936.63&mdaCode=GLAHM)

...and below are some sketches of some very early British varieties, which are described as such:

Early British querns. A, pre-Roman Wessex type ; note method of mounting upper stone by means of a peg. B, pre-Roman ,from the Trundle ,. Sussex , from before 50 B.C. C, probably from Iver, first century A. D, D from Hassocks,Sussex ( second century A.D) ; note separate hopper . E,from Thundersbilrrow Hill, Sussex (fourth century A.D.); note device for tentering the upper stone.

Hi Pok3Rman
It was found on a river valley below an ancient hill fort, I found my one and only Hadrian Denarius in this area a couple of years ago. Ive sent in a couple of pics to TT to see what they think.
Cheers
Alan
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: chris3030 on February 29, 2016, 06:05:22 PM
At the bottom of pokermans link page ther is an email too foundit you could email that guy too it might save you a long wait .
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: P0k3Rman on February 29, 2016, 06:06:15 PM
...that is a superb spot and find. It is indeed a quern stone and a very early one (Iron Age), which would indicate a settlement nearby, perhaps a round house?

...if this was found in Scotland it needs reported and would be worth a few quid, as I'm sure it would be claimed. Also, the fields round the area should be searched carefully and any finds instantly reported. If the archaeologists do an excavation, then anything they find would be classed as part of your find, due to it being part of the original assemblage - so worth reporting. I don't think they will do a dig on the strength of this alone, and you need to find more things and accurately plot them.

...it is like this type from the Hunterian museum: http://www.huntsearch.gla.ac.uk/cgi-bin/foxweb/huntsearch/DetailedResults.fwx?collection=all&SearchTerm=F.1936.63&mdaCode=GLAHM (http://www.huntsearch.gla.ac.uk/cgi-bin/foxweb/huntsearch/DetailedResults.fwx?collection=all&SearchTerm=F.1936.63&mdaCode=GLAHM)

...and below are some sketches of some very early British varieties, which are described as such:

Early British querns. A, pre-Roman Wessex type ; note method of mounting upper stone by means of a peg. B, pre-Roman ,from the Trundle ,. Sussex , from before 50 B.C. C, probably from Iver, first century A. D, D from Hassocks,Sussex ( second century A.D) ; note separate hopper . E,from Thundersbilrrow Hill, Sussex (fourth century A.D.); note device for tentering the upper stone.

Hi Pok3Rman
It was found on a river valley below an ancient hill fort, I found my one and only Hadrian Denarius in this area a couple of years ago. Ive sent in a couple of pics to TT to see what they think.
Cheers
Alan

...great stuff, as there were settlements around hill forts. Looking at those drawings, I think your one is 'D' which is roughly from 2nd century!
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: Molly1 on February 29, 2016, 08:17:41 PM
Very interesting
Good luck with TT  :laugh:
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: DartmoorRanger on February 29, 2016, 08:35:46 PM
Very nice find mate and good luck with TT. :)
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: EleanorF on February 29, 2016, 08:48:54 PM
Really interesting find, good luck!
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: Haggy on February 29, 2016, 10:29:45 PM
What signal did you get on your machine from it? ;)
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: Maolachy on July 13, 2016, 10:21:20 AM
Definitely the upper stone of a quern - the handle fitted in the horizontal groove, which is unusual; normally a hole was made at the outer rim & a vertical peg fitted. I'm sure the local museum would appreciate it but if you wish to sell I would be happy to buy! Or I can email you more info on querns if you wish.
Maolachy
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: Oldblue110 on July 13, 2016, 01:14:38 PM
Haven't seen this thread before now. I'd just like to say what a truly amazing find, well done and if this is the sort of finds your getting I suggest you get a bigger finds bag or a wheelbarrow.

  John. :)
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: Shug100 on July 13, 2016, 09:09:14 PM
Well done mate great find
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: foundit on July 14, 2016, 09:48:24 AM
Thanks for the comments folks.
Spoke to Natasha Ferguson two weeks ago as the stone is still with the farmer, I agreed to have the stone delivered to my local museum as it was proving difficult to get it picked up. Popped up to the farm yesterday and spoke to the farmer about it and he is more than happy to drop it off....he said it`s in his utility room and he shows it to all his visitors.
Cheers
Alan
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: Maolachy on September 09, 2016, 11:45:24 AM
Hi Alan
What a perfect example of a horizontal slot upper quern stone - link below explains them. Should definitely be in a museum.
Tony


http://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/myads/copyrights?from=2f6172636869766544532f61726368697665446f776e6c6f61643f743d617263682d3335322d312f64697373656d696e6174696f6e2f7064662f766f6c5f3133382f3133385f3130355f3132382e706466
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: hawkeye on September 09, 2016, 04:07:53 PM
I've seen reproductions being used at various historical events I've attended but this is the first real one I've seen being uncovered in the field. Well spotted and good luck with the outcome.
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: Greusaich on October 17, 2016, 03:32:56 AM
Wow, amazing find!
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: Sam on October 17, 2016, 01:57:17 PM
I thought this was summin a bit special when you first posted it. What did Natasha have to say? Do you think it could end up being displayed somewhere? Good luck an cheers :).
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: foundit on October 18, 2016, 02:56:28 PM
I thought this was summin a bit special when you first posted it. What did Natasha have to say? Do you think it could end up being displayed somewhere? Good luck an cheers :).


Spoke to Natasha about the stone a couple of months ago Sam, I was handing in a brooch for her to have a look at. She said that it was proving difficult getting the stone picked up so I went up and spoke to the farmer who was looking after it, I gave him the TT paperwork and he was going to hand the Quern stone into the local museum, Not heard if its been handed in yet...have to have a run out to speak to the farmer again, he loved it and was showing it to everyone visiting the farm. :) :)

Happy hunting
Alan
Title: Re: quern stone ?
Post by: Sam on October 18, 2016, 03:12:08 PM
Ach well, I'm sure it's in good hands. You can imagine a museum would like it tho, use it for some sort of display or other. There's got to be some decent finds from that area still, good luck.
 Anyway thanks for the update :)